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Jonathan Gillenson I’m pretty sure the Knights Templar were disolved (at least to the best of my knowledge). I don’t know of a group called the Papal Knights ever existing but I may have to dive deeper into Church history. To my knowledge there was a group called the Illuminati, but Dan Brown exaggerates their involvement and unless I’m mistaken they have completely dissolved themselves. -
John McGuire The Papal Knights are a matter of mainstream news and public record. -
Jonathan Daniel Bennett Templars were dissolved eight centuries ago; “Papal Knights” could refer to a number of chivalric orders; Weishaupt’s Illuminati was largely destroyed by the Bavarian government in the late 1700s, although many conspiracy theories involve their continuation in various ways and in various places. -
John McGuire Ten years before the Jesuits, Ignatius of Loyola founded the ALUMBRADOS, i.e. Enlightened Ones or Illuminati in Spain. The group mysteriously disbanded before the Jesuits were founded.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett Ok. Where’s my million dollars?
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Daniel J Leach Nope the Nights Knigh Templar are still an active grouphttp://www.knightstemplar.org/
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John McGuire No dice, Ionatan.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett There are dozens of groups calling themselves Templars, but the actual Order of the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon, founded in in the early 12th century were officially dissolved by papal decree in 1312.
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John McGuire Disavowed not dissolved.
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Duc de Berwick Knights Templar were dissolved, the Knights of St. John had a schism sometime during Napoleon so they could be fake. -
John McGuire This site claims Templars alive and well: papalknights.org
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John McGuire This site claims Templars alive and well: papalknights.org/
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Daniel J Leach http://papalknights.org
papalknights.org
The Supreme Order of ChristThe Order of the Golden SpurThe Order of Saint Pius IXThe Order of Saint Gregory the GreatThe Order of Saint Sylvester -
John McGuire This site claims Templars alive and well: http://papalknights.org/
papalknights.org
The Supreme Order of ChristThe Order of the Golden SpurThe Order of Saint Pius IXThe Order of Saint Gregory the GreatThe Order of Saint Sylvester -
Jonathan Daniel Bennett It was papal decree which brought them into being, it was papalauthority underwhich the Order operated, and it was the pope who suppressed and dissolved. Whatever members of the Knights Templar survived and defied the ban by continuing to function, and whatever modern groups refer to themselves as Templars, the original Order no longer exists.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett As I said, there are dozens of groups (some even within the Church) which tap the Templar legacy, but the Order itself no longer exists.
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John McGuire A papal decree brought them under the pope, papal authority disowned them. No cigar.
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John McGuire No longer exists as a papist entity. WE GET IT.
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John McGuire No longer exists as a papist entity. WE GET IT. STOP SPAMMING.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett You do not understand how Catholic religious orders function then.
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Duc de Berwick No you are wrong John. The Templars were duty bound and could report only to the Pope, hence many feudal lords in the Levant used to get very angry with the knights for they could not question them or make them show cause when asked upon.
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John McGuire Actually I do. Organizations that fall out of the pope’s favor do not magically disappear except in papo-fairyland of course.
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Duc de Berwick Thus the earlier point stands that the Pope gave them their existence and even took away their role to exist.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett I’m pointing out some basic historical facts in response to a rather odd topic post. I’m not spamming. Really John, I like a lot of what you post, but I’m not sure where you are trying to go with this.
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John McGuire Organizations that fall out of the pope’s favor do not magically disappear except in papo-fairyland of course.
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Daniel J Leach This is a good conversation very informative! Where or not they are still who they were doesn’t matter it is only one NWO organization out of thousands that or in the same league of secret society’s that want to build a New World Order Government and none of the work they do is of any good to humanity.
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John McGuire I’ll go wherever solid fact takes me.
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John McGuire “Role to exist”? That’s not even cogent.
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Duc de Berwick Though the Knights of St. John is a murky issue, I am very confident that the templars do not exist anymore after they were suspended by the Pope in connivance with Philip IV of France.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett The Order as an organization did indeed cease to exist. Whatever organizations and institutions came out of it, or were based upon it, are a completely different matter and open to much speculation, but the Knights Templar, being under papal authority, were validly dissolved by that same authority.
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Duc de Berwick Exactly
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John McGuire Did the pope found the Knights Templar? I don’t think so.
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Daniel J Leach I have no idea but the same groups still are trying to rule the world!
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Duc de Berwick But he passed a decree for it’s creation.
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John McGuire Sorry, but you need to realize my reading of history doesn’t rely on the Roman Patriarch as some kind of supreme dictator of all reality. And that’s why you sound like a clashing gong to my ears.
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Daniel J Leach Its poinless to say if they are the same group or not the next group still has the same goal as the first!
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John McGuire The Nicaean Church fell out of favor with the Emperor. Does that mean the Christian Church no longer exists?
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Daniel J Leach Good point John McGuire!
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett No, like most Catholic religious orders, the Knights Templar were not founded directly by the pope, but under local episcopal and noble authority before- having grown in numbers and prominence- brought themselves direct papal authority.
I realize you are not Catholic, but to recognize some how the history of the Templars and the role and functions of religious orders like the Templars works within the Church is completely separate from submitting to Roman obedience yourself. -
Jonathan Daniel Bennett The Emperor never issued a decree dissolving the entirety of the Church.
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Duc de Berwick Fine if the Order was not founded or created by the Pope, at least they were allied to the Pope. Does that suffice?
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John McGuire No, but he defined it as Arian.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett And his successors reversed that.
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Jonathan Daniel Bennett As was their prerogative.
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John McGuire Alliances come and go but do not fully define an organization.
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John McGuire So, Jonathan, if a future pope reinstates the Knights Templar, then suddenly they will never have ceased to exist? You’re loyal, I’ll give you that much.
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